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  • #8429

    YDOP
    Participant

    Is map data (such as new roads) being added to Google Maps (and/or vice versa)?

    Also, has anyone had success at claiming/editing their client’s business location on Waze? I saw Andrew Shotland’s post from last year about it, but wasn’t sure if anyone has recently had success with it.

    Thanks!
    -Justin Mosebach

    #8441

    Mike Blumenthal
    Keymaster

    We know that data flows from Waze but are not sure if it includes new roads. I presume so as it is a trusted source for so much other data.

    I haven’t tried claiming on Waze. What is your goal?

    #8442

    YDOP
    Participant

    We need to add a new road to where a client is moving to.

    Also, because Waze seems to be pretty popular, my thought had been to make sure that our retail clients are properly represented (NAP/W, hours) on it.

    -Justin Mosebach

    #8443

    Mike Blumenthal
    Keymaster

    1- I don’t know the specific flow of data from Waze to Google Maps. Is the new road visible on the satellite view for Google Maps. If it is besides reporting it on Waze, a report a problem on G Maps will bring action.

    2-Last time I checked (and it has been a while), Waze had about a 5% market share on iPhone compared to about 35-40% each for G Maps and Apple Maps. It might have gone up since then and there may be regional spots where its popularity is quite a bit higher. I have no idea its market share on Android.

    #8446

    Mike Blumenthal
    Keymaster

    I checked with Andrew and he didn’t know but, like me, he suspected that it would.

    I have elevated the question to Google to see if I can get a definitive answer.

    #8465

    Mike Blumenthal
    Keymaster

    I asked Google and, at the least the person I am dealing with, didn’t know. Other TCs that are active in Maps and Mapmaker said that they thought no.

    I have asked in the Waze forums and see if I can get a definitive answer.

    #8467

    Mike Blumenthal
    Keymaster

    The answer is NO.

    I have confirmed through the Waze forums and Dan Austin that they do not

    From Waze forums:
    Simple answer is no.

    Waze provides google traffic info; google provides search functions for the app, and street view in the editor. That’s about all the cross platform collaboration.

    Fron Dan, who originally thought that they did, revised his opinion after some research:

    I did some research to try to dig into this, and here’s what I found:

    *Waze sends repairs/delays/traffic data to Google Maps (MM no longer has this functionality; in the recent past, it did).
    *Waze appears to use some Google Maps address POI data for directions/routing, but I don’t have this on good authority. (Waze editors appear to edit multiple maps services in an effort to improve data across the board, and they also can use the Report a problem function within Waze, so it’s not clear, without significant experimentation, who is editing what where when—Waze RAP could go to Google, or it could go somewhere else, and Google may edit both databases at the same time).
    *Street view is visible in Waze.
    *Google satellite view is visible in Waze (edit mode—I don’t have access to a mobile device).
    *Ground Truth/Atlas is plugged into Waze (Waze is another layer in their UI), so Google can use that data to edit base Google Maps.

    That’s it.

    The road (and even the POI) databases are separate. Much of the POI and in particular road datasets appear to be incompatible without some serious work on Google’s backend. Any merging will probably by on a country specific basis, that is, where Google’s Maps data is scarce or unavailable, Ground Truth will probably use Waze to build out Maps, and vice versa (like Israel, where Waze got its start, and much of South and Central America, where Map Maker isn’t fully available yet). Much easier to lift datasets that can be immediately used (like traffic delays, cameras, etc.) and plug it into Google Maps on an as needed basis. Thus, no road data sync back and forth between the two.

    This is a continuation of Google’s policy of having multiple apps for the same purpose (Messenger/Talk/Google Voice/Hangouts), and trying to figure out how how they should fit together, if at all, either by merging or copying functionality from one to the other.

    I haven’t used Waze that much, because at the time I was playing with it it limited not only what you could edit, but where you could edit. That prevented a lot of “jumping in” if you didn’t travel around quite a bit with Waze and report issues on the fly.

    #8468

    Mike Blumenthal
    Keymaster

    Given that Google CAN see Waze data (but doesn’t automatically pull it) through their Ground Truth software (that edits base layer data), an effective tactic might be to have the road approved in Waze and then use Report a Problem in Maps. That would speed to verification Google needs to make the change and would free Google from the need of waiting for a new satellite image to confirm the new road.

    #8484

    YDOP
    Participant

    Thanks Mike for all of the research and feedback! Very helpful info.

    -Justin Mosebach

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