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  • #6190

    Mary Bowling
    Keymaster

    Any guess I make is just a guess at this point, but my first thought when I see something like that is that the page is either being penalized or dropping out of the main index.

    I’d start by running a site crawl to see what I could find out from it. Then, I’d check robots.txt, meta robots, xml sitemap, redirect and canonical loops, WMTools, GA, backlinks and anchor text.

    I’d also ask the client about the other domains redirected to his current site to see if there may be any history that can provide you with clues on where to dig deeper.

    #6191

    David Mihm
    Keymaster

    JR,
    Agree with the above feedback from Linda and Mike that somehow Google is now conferring more authority on the Address-Phone-Website combo that lists Dr. Miller as the business name, rather than Integrated Spine and Disc.

    If this continues, you might go one step further than Mike suggests and give Dr. Miller his own URL to try to fully separate him as a distinct business in Google’s eyes.

    Google’s policy around practitioners is asinine to say the least. So until they provide a true suppression solution for verified listings that are managed in the same account, I’m of the opinion that you should try everything you can until something works to surface your desired listing.

    #6199
    J.R. Portman
    J.R. Portman
    Participant

    Thank you all for your advice and feedback. This is exactly why I am a member of local U, for support such as this. Otherwise, I’d be spinning my wheels trolling blogs trying to find the answer.

    The issue persists as of now, despite me having downgraded the IP listings, but it hasn’t even been 24 hours yet. I’d like to see if the change I made to places affect a change before delving into on-site stuff. Frankly, I know virtually nothing about on-site SEO (yet) so I wouldn’t even know where to begin, despite your suggestions Mary. Do we have a beginner’s guide to onsite SEO somewhere in the forum so I can learn how to do the things that Mary suggested?

    David- as to your suggestion of giving dr. miller his own URL, do you mean creating a separate website just for him to disassociate him with Integrated Spine? Couldn’t I also just leave the website field blank on his listing or would G just autopopulate?

    #6201

    David Mihm
    Keymaster

    That’s an interesting idea, just to leave it blank. You might try that as a first-effort…

    #6209

    Mary Bowling
    Keymaster

    JR, There are a lot of places you can learn current SEO best practices online, so here at LocalU we try to concentrate on Local SEO.

    Here are my suggestions for learning more about organic SEO:

    SEOBook- Aaron Wall has been teaching SEO for over a decade. He also has quite a few useful tools.

    Moz – articles from Mozzers and the Moz community here. (David works for this company)

    Market Motive – several levels of training offered, both self-paced and instructor lead. The instructors are good and you can get certifications here

    SENews – newsletter, classes, tools ( I do some work for this outfit)

    Search Engine Academy – holds formal classes in person-may also do some online training

    #6242
    J.R. Portman
    J.R. Portman
    Participant

    Linda – any word from Joy on suppressing a closed Google listing or more info on how much it actually impacts local results?

    SERP results for this issue still haven’t changed yet, been about 5 days.

    #6260
    Linda Buquet
    Linda Buquet
    Member

    Sorry JR, was hoping she’d see it.

    I’ll contact her via email and alert her to this thread.

    #6264
    Imprezzio
    Imprezzio
    Participant

    Hey JR!

    Linda emailed me 🙂 Can I get more info from you on what exactly Integrated Wellness Group is and how they are related to your client? They have a live website with the exact same address + suite number as your client: http://www.northshoreidealweightloss.com/

    More references:
    https://plus.google.com/111417217310717584712/posts
    http://www.labdraw.com/doctorlocations.php?doctor=1790945608
    https://plus.google.com/105124546094686229557/about
    https://plus.google.com/103842417627904054605/about

    #6265
    Imprezzio
    Imprezzio
    Participant

    I feel like I might be missing something here as well because for “mandeville chiropractor” I get Dr. Jeff Miller as B and they are the first organic result.

    For “Chiropractor Mandeville LA” I get the practice listing as B and they again are the first organic result.

    Seems pretty great to me?

    #6268
    Linda Buquet
    Linda Buquet
    Member

    Joy that 4605 listing is the closed listing I referenced – should have added the link to it in my original post but was side tracked with browser issues.

    Since it’s the same phone# too, I assumed it is the same company and was a rebranding or they bought out that company or something. Would be good to know for sure what that listing is and what the relationship was.

    But even though closed, it’s also still verified so is sitting in someone’s dash which I would think gives it even more juice. So should maybe at least be deleted from dash, do you think Joy?

    #6271
    J.R. Portman
    J.R. Portman
    Participant

    Hi Joy-
    Integrated Wellness Group is an old defunct iteration of their integrated spine and disc brand. I’ve run a moz-local citation campaign for ISD and I hope that will help clear up some citational issues once that propagates, but if the Integrated Wellness Group closed G+ Local listing is considered for rankings, then the question is what can be done to suppress it and how can I improve the ISD rank?

    And as far as their rankings go in search – don’t even get me started! They are obsessed with the local pack and will not rest until they are in it. They have 19 reviews on their integrated spine and disc local listing as well as a Business View Tour, and they really want that to show up as much as possible. What’s more is that the listing was ranking fine up until last week and then disappeared, and they say they only knew something was up because “the phone stopped ringing all of the sudden.”

    So I’m trying to figure out what else I can do to help them with my somewhat limited SEO knowledge. I’ve had plenty of talks with them regarding the dangers of focusing heavily on rankings and specific keyword searches but they are hell-bent on ranking their Integrated Spine and Disc listing for “Mandeville Chiropractor”

    #6275
    Imprezzio
    Imprezzio
    Participant

    JR,

    When I see closed listings hurting ranking, the business doesn’t rank anywhere. So your situation is not the same as the ones I’m seeing. I don’t think the closed listing is hurting anything or you wouldn’t rank as B for “Mandeville Chiropractor”.

    What I am seeing is that the practitioner and practice listings never appear for the same search together. It’s either 1 or the other that appears. For example, https://www.google.com/search?q=Chiropractor+Mandeville+la&safe=off&biw=2364&bih=1189&gl=us&tbm=lcl&ei=HneYVJezHYH5yQSP34CoAw&start=0&sa=N&dpr=0.75&gl=us

    It seems kind of odd that no searches I find shows the 3 listings together anywhere (not even on page 2 – they’re literally just not there)
    https://plus.google.com/+DrJeffMillerMandeville/about
    https://plus.google.com/106655715139305479991/about
    https://plus.google.com/113548801469909180450/about

    I was wondering if possibly (big if) having the same 360 tour on all 3 listings is making it so Google is treating them like the same listing and never showing 2 at the same time?

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